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	<title>Comments on: Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work!</title>
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		<title>By: Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work! &#171; Paul McDonnell Weblog</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-291</link>
		<dc:creator>Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work! &#171; Paul McDonnell Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 22:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven in Colorado</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-284</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven in Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 15:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck:

I know you mean well and your enthusiasm is wonderful, but the hydrogen injection systems for cars that your site points to is a dead end.  It doesn&#039;t do anything significant for gas mileage--just because something is *patented* doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s of particular value. There is no &quot;suppression&quot; of this technology--frankly, big companies just aren&#039;t that organized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck:</p>
<p>I know you mean well and your enthusiasm is wonderful, but the hydrogen injection systems for cars that your site points to is a dead end.  It doesn&#8217;t do anything significant for gas mileage&#8211;just because something is *patented* doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s of particular value. There is no &#8220;suppression&#8221; of this technology&#8211;frankly, big companies just aren&#8217;t that organized.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-276</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I don&#039;t understand:

First this is great news. Anything environmentally friendly is better than what we have now. But doesn&#039;t mean there aren&#039;t better ways. For example, all the talk about energy of the electro magnetic field (I have no degree in nuclear science of electro magnetics), but what I do know is it&#039;s working for my car. If it&#039;s working for my car, why shouldn&#039;t it work anywhere else? It should be able to power the whole world, and why is everybody silent about it? Obviously it&#039;s no secret because according to this site there are over 50 patents to it. Is it the big oil companies suppressing this? I don&#039;t know. You can read more about it on http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com

Know what? May be the technology is so simple that may be it will be really dangerous if this goes into the hands of terrorists, and that&#039;s why the world wants to suppress this, but that sounds really stupid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I don&#8217;t understand:</p>
<p>First this is great news. Anything environmentally friendly is better than what we have now. But doesn&#8217;t mean there aren&#8217;t better ways. For example, all the talk about energy of the electro magnetic field (I have no degree in nuclear science of electro magnetics), but what I do know is it&#8217;s working for my car. If it&#8217;s working for my car, why shouldn&#8217;t it work anywhere else? It should be able to power the whole world, and why is everybody silent about it? Obviously it&#8217;s no secret because according to this site there are over 50 patents to it. Is it the big oil companies suppressing this? I don&#8217;t know. You can read more about it on <a href="http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.SaveGasSaveEarth.com</a></p>
<p>Know what? May be the technology is so simple that may be it will be really dangerous if this goes into the hands of terrorists, and that&#8217;s why the world wants to suppress this, but that sounds really stupid!</p>
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		<title>By: Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work! &#124; Greenirvana.com</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work! &#124; Greenirvana.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and will save billions of gallons of water for the southwest) and suggests we work harder to getread more &#124; digg [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nukee</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-274</link>
		<dc:creator>nukee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 07:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having studied nuclear engineering in college, I have been well indoctrinated that nuclear energy is good.  But I do agree that:

Yes, nuclear power plants do use a lot of water and cause thermal pollution when the cooling water is pumped back into the environment.

Yes, nuclear power plants do have spent fuels (other lower level waste due to activation products are properly disposed of in specific radioactive waste sites) that presently are being stored in the nuclear power plant facilities, but as soon as Yucca Mountain is opened, it will resolve some issues.  (Details on why Yucca Mountain is a good area to put spent fuels/old reactor cores takes too long to explain.  Also these spent fuels could be utilized further if our government would allow reprocessing.  For those who want to argue nuclear power is not safe should look up how many deaths in the US are related to nuclear power plants and how many are related to fossil fuel plants.  I believe there is only a few (I want to say one) documented death due to an incident in a nuclear facility back in the 50s.)

But on the plus side of things:

Nuclear energy does not have carbon emissions like coal power plants, and current technologies are further improving designs which minimize risk and increase efficiency.  This technology works and can provide a base load of electricity to meet this country&#039;s energy needs.  Hell, if the French can use 90% nuclear power and not have any problems .. why can&#039;t we?  

However I do agree with a comment above that hopes to utilize solar and wind electricity production on an individual basis.  I think that coupled with efficient battery storage capabilities would work quite well.  But the technology is not close to being cost effective (or at least not to my knowledge) there needs to be an alternative but short term  solution to reducing green house gas production which means stop using fossil fuel power plants and switch to something else.  Of course in my book that something else would be nuclear, but that is just my opinion. :)

Oh and on the topic of superfund sites.  Superfund sites include improper chemical/toxic substances disposal as well.  Should we just stop using chemicals?  Have we found a &quot;perfect&quot; way of disposing of said chemicals/toxic stuff?  The superfund sites were a result of lack of regulation on radioactive waste disposal and crazy individuals who think they can dispose of radioactive waste on their own.  Todays regulations would slam a company hard with fines and make them pay for most if not all of the clean up if radioactive waste were improperly disposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having studied nuclear engineering in college, I have been well indoctrinated that nuclear energy is good.  But I do agree that:</p>
<p>Yes, nuclear power plants do use a lot of water and cause thermal pollution when the cooling water is pumped back into the environment.</p>
<p>Yes, nuclear power plants do have spent fuels (other lower level waste due to activation products are properly disposed of in specific radioactive waste sites) that presently are being stored in the nuclear power plant facilities, but as soon as Yucca Mountain is opened, it will resolve some issues.  (Details on why Yucca Mountain is a good area to put spent fuels/old reactor cores takes too long to explain.  Also these spent fuels could be utilized further if our government would allow reprocessing.  For those who want to argue nuclear power is not safe should look up how many deaths in the US are related to nuclear power plants and how many are related to fossil fuel plants.  I believe there is only a few (I want to say one) documented death due to an incident in a nuclear facility back in the 50s.)</p>
<p>But on the plus side of things:</p>
<p>Nuclear energy does not have carbon emissions like coal power plants, and current technologies are further improving designs which minimize risk and increase efficiency.  This technology works and can provide a base load of electricity to meet this country&#8217;s energy needs.  Hell, if the French can use 90% nuclear power and not have any problems .. why can&#8217;t we?  </p>
<p>However I do agree with a comment above that hopes to utilize solar and wind electricity production on an individual basis.  I think that coupled with efficient battery storage capabilities would work quite well.  But the technology is not close to being cost effective (or at least not to my knowledge) there needs to be an alternative but short term  solution to reducing green house gas production which means stop using fossil fuel power plants and switch to something else.  Of course in my book that something else would be nuclear, but that is just my opinion. <img src='http://azsustainability.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh and on the topic of superfund sites.  Superfund sites include improper chemical/toxic substances disposal as well.  Should we just stop using chemicals?  Have we found a &#8220;perfect&#8221; way of disposing of said chemicals/toxic stuff?  The superfund sites were a result of lack of regulation on radioactive waste disposal and crazy individuals who think they can dispose of radioactive waste on their own.  Todays regulations would slam a company hard with fines and make them pay for most if not all of the clean up if radioactive waste were improperly disposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rational Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 04:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t deal with the waste of nuclear? Are you kidding? It&#039;s only made complicated by people like Ben Pickett.. In this case the concern is the radiation exposure when containment breaks down in 10,000+ years. We can&#039;t predict where technology will be in 20 years much less 10,000.

Get real.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t deal with the waste of nuclear? Are you kidding? It&#8217;s only made complicated by people like Ben Pickett.. In this case the concern is the radiation exposure when containment breaks down in 10,000+ years. We can&#8217;t predict where technology will be in 20 years much less 10,000.</p>
<p>Get real.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Reagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Reagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this analysis - it seems to be basically neutral except for the illogical support of nuclear energy.  Why encourage use of dangerous technology that will leave a legacy of superfund sites for future generations?  Besides this is failed technology.  We&#039;ve had decades of research but still have no answer to waste and the industry cannot stand on it&#039;s own without government support.  We need to concentrate on conservation and sustainable energy instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this analysis &#8211; it seems to be basically neutral except for the illogical support of nuclear energy.  Why encourage use of dangerous technology that will leave a legacy of superfund sites for future generations?  Besides this is failed technology.  We&#8217;ve had decades of research but still have no answer to waste and the industry cannot stand on it&#8217;s own without government support.  We need to concentrate on conservation and sustainable energy instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Wind Power Handbook &#187; 20 by 30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wind Power Handbook &#187; 20 by 30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For an interesting and funny assessment on reading the DOE report in full, David Pace points you (by chapter and page) to some key items of interest in his “Want 20 Percent Wind Power by 2030, Get to Work!” available here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fred Sanford</title>
		<link>http://azsustainability.com/2008/05/21/want-20-percent-wind-power-by-2030-get-to-work/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Sanford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>issue -
here and many other places -
BIG wind, BIG solar, etc are nice, and have a place in the overall scheme of the power grid.  However - small wind, small solar (residential level) can and SHOUD comprise a larger portion of this energy source.

a 1kw solar panel set on every building, and/or a 1 kw wind turbine for every building will produce more power, locally, and extract a greater % of overall available energy from these sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>issue -<br />
here and many other places -<br />
BIG wind, BIG solar, etc are nice, and have a place in the overall scheme of the power grid.  However &#8211; small wind, small solar (residential level) can and SHOUD comprise a larger portion of this energy source.</p>
<p>a 1kw solar panel set on every building, and/or a 1 kw wind turbine for every building will produce more power, locally, and extract a greater % of overall available energy from these sources.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for the post.  It was a great read.  It is striking that along with the logistical challenges faced battling fossil fuel interests, nuclear interests, and politicians w/ their special interests is necessary in order to implment necessary technologies to accomodate the growing need for electricity generation.
If the DEP is worried about birds, it should be utilizing the massive leisure bird watching groups in the USA to track migratory birds and build wind farms out of their paths. simple solutions that become complex when the federal beuracracy becomes involved.  Are there any artiles about expansion of wind in CA? Arnold is progressive when it comes to common sense initiatives like wind power.
Additionally, I have family in international shipping and wind is a booming industry world wide.  there are logistical problems moving towers and blades due to their light weight and the amount of space needed to move large quantities. BUT windmills cannot be moved fast enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for the post.  It was a great read.  It is striking that along with the logistical challenges faced battling fossil fuel interests, nuclear interests, and politicians w/ their special interests is necessary in order to implment necessary technologies to accomodate the growing need for electricity generation.<br />
If the DEP is worried about birds, it should be utilizing the massive leisure bird watching groups in the USA to track migratory birds and build wind farms out of their paths. simple solutions that become complex when the federal beuracracy becomes involved.  Are there any artiles about expansion of wind in CA? Arnold is progressive when it comes to common sense initiatives like wind power.<br />
Additionally, I have family in international shipping and wind is a booming industry world wide.  there are logistical problems moving towers and blades due to their light weight and the amount of space needed to move large quantities. BUT windmills cannot be moved fast enough.</p>
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